Post by Amaterasu Solar on May 15, 2017 19:55:24 GMT
I tire of repeating, over and over, these facts, so... I will post them here and start linking.
First, the north-centric model (Dubay, et al) does not work - it would have the stars in the "south" whipping by at a fair clip in nearly straight lines, with different stars seen from different southern points. But the stars in the south circle around a point (no visible star there) mirroring the behavior of those in the north, always due south from wherever One can see it (anywhere in the southern hemisphere).
Second, on a flat plain, when going upward, once You get above things that block the view, You would see all You can see. Going up further will show no more. But when We go upwards, We see more and more of the planet, exactly like One would going up from the surface of a ball.
Third, the flat earth "movement" is RIFE with disingenuous arguments - ignoring scale, gravity, optics, friction, refraction, AND misstating distances to "prove" flatness. WHY does the truth need even ONE disingenuous argument?
Fourth, though the flat earth proponents have said that if You get a stronger instrument, it will bring ships back into view that sank, hull to crows nest, at the horizon, I have watched ships sink with binoculars and then switched to a fairly powerful telescope - and nope. It does NOT bring them back into view. Once sunk, They cannot be seen, and so... There are People out there LYING to prove the flat earth. WHY would the truth need even ONE lie?
Fifth, the fact that, for aeons, sailors have been calculating latitude in the northern hemisphere by the position of Polaris, with a direct correlation between latitude and degrees above the horizon, proves a globe. When Polaris is at the horizon (something that cannot happen on a pancake), One is at the equator (0º), when it is 45º up from the horizon, One is at the 45th parallel... (See: debunkingflatearth.blogspot.com/2016/02/debunking-flat-earth-how-polaris-proves.html )
Sixth, on a globe, eclipses can be predicted, the movements of the planets can be predicted, the seasons explained, the zodiacal progression, the phases of the moon, and other things the flat idea has nothing to offer for.
Seriously, I could go on, but the flat idea has ZERO models that explain what We see and I ask You, with all this... WHY would anyOne believe in something that has ZERO behind it when a model that has been accepted for aeons (with a hiatus in the dark ages when the same faction (the psychopaths in control) promulgated the flat idea that promulgates it now) works beautifully?
As for some of the disingenuous arguments... I'll give You three. I have seen People pouring water on a ball to "prove" water doesn't "stick to a ball," ignoring the planet-sized gravity well immediately adjacent pulling the water OFF the ball. I have seen People spinning balls on the floor to "prove" a ball will not keep spinning, ignoring the friction of the ball on the floor. And I have seen People point to a glass of water saying, "Look! It's FLAT!" As if, at that small a fraction of a single degree of arc (4" is 0.00009% of a single degree of arc), We would see the hump in the middle a few MOLECULES high by eyeballing the glass.
YES, NASA lies and fakes things. But to jump on the flat earth psyop bandwagon because of that is VERY poor thinking. In fact, it would seem that NASA conceived of the flat earth psyop to cover the growing awareness that They DO fake things with misdirection. The Pentagon implemented the psyop, with Eric "The Mason" Dubay at its lead. So... The question becomes, what is the REAL reason NASA fakes things and lies?
The globe was not NASA's invention, yet the "NASA LIES!" cry is used to "prove" flatness - a most absurd leap, when You think about it. The globe was known in ancient times, and the church brought the flat concept to the fore in the dark ages. The church finally gave up on the flat idea as too much in the way of observations, measurements, calculations, and geometry, along with logic, reason, and critical thinking, made it clear We are on a globe. Their stance was beginning to be ridiculed.
Back to the question of what the real reason NASA fakes things is... What if there is an artificial barrier just above low earth orbit that We can't get through? What if the useless eliters are trying to hide it? Stuff from low earth orbit seems to be real, but stuff beyond that seems to be faked. What if this is LITERALLY a prison planet? What if They don't want Us to ask, "Who put that barrier there - and WHY?" So They fake going beyond that barrier, giving the ILLUSION that this is not a prison planet.
Given the many legends around the globe of a time when there was no moon, and if this is what is going on, We might think that the moon was placed there - maybe an artificial construct like a "death star" - with wardens watching the prison. This would explain "The Watchers..." Perhaps the moon was placed exactly the distance it was so as to cover the face of the sun, thereby striking fear and awe in the hearts and minds of the primitive People on the planet below. It has been reported that the moon behaves aberrantly relative to gravitational expectations.
And to Any who still cling to that psyop, beLIEving the disingenuous nonsense, before You come in here and start with Your stuff, know: unless You start by answering the following question, I will most likely delete Your comments: Why does the flat earth concept need SO many disingenuous arguments? The truth needs ZERO.
I tell you what, though. I won't delete You if You bring a flat model that explains the stars in the south mirroring the behavior of the stars in the north, spinning around a point (no visible star there), always due south of anywhere it can be seen from (southern hemisphere) - and I will also give the probability We are on a pancake more than 0.0000000000000001%. Deal?
Oh, and if You think somehow the southern stars are projected into the sky, please see this:
Thank You for reading, and I hope You are honest enough with Yourself (if You think the planet is flat) to seriously mull over what I offer here.
On to MUCH more important things. Solving for psychopaths in control on Our planet:
I invite the reader to investigate the work I do in sharing awareness of a solution to the psychopaths in control on Our planet, stolen from Us through "trusts" and deceit:
I AM anti-New World Order - A Better Way
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The Three Ancient Laws of Ethics
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Quite the Opposite - A Short Story for Change
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First, the north-centric model (Dubay, et al) does not work - it would have the stars in the "south" whipping by at a fair clip in nearly straight lines, with different stars seen from different southern points. But the stars in the south circle around a point (no visible star there) mirroring the behavior of those in the north, always due south from wherever One can see it (anywhere in the southern hemisphere).
Second, on a flat plain, when going upward, once You get above things that block the view, You would see all You can see. Going up further will show no more. But when We go upwards, We see more and more of the planet, exactly like One would going up from the surface of a ball.
Third, the flat earth "movement" is RIFE with disingenuous arguments - ignoring scale, gravity, optics, friction, refraction, AND misstating distances to "prove" flatness. WHY does the truth need even ONE disingenuous argument?
Fourth, though the flat earth proponents have said that if You get a stronger instrument, it will bring ships back into view that sank, hull to crows nest, at the horizon, I have watched ships sink with binoculars and then switched to a fairly powerful telescope - and nope. It does NOT bring them back into view. Once sunk, They cannot be seen, and so... There are People out there LYING to prove the flat earth. WHY would the truth need even ONE lie?
Fifth, the fact that, for aeons, sailors have been calculating latitude in the northern hemisphere by the position of Polaris, with a direct correlation between latitude and degrees above the horizon, proves a globe. When Polaris is at the horizon (something that cannot happen on a pancake), One is at the equator (0º), when it is 45º up from the horizon, One is at the 45th parallel... (See: debunkingflatearth.blogspot.com/2016/02/debunking-flat-earth-how-polaris-proves.html )
Sixth, on a globe, eclipses can be predicted, the movements of the planets can be predicted, the seasons explained, the zodiacal progression, the phases of the moon, and other things the flat idea has nothing to offer for.
Seriously, I could go on, but the flat idea has ZERO models that explain what We see and I ask You, with all this... WHY would anyOne believe in something that has ZERO behind it when a model that has been accepted for aeons (with a hiatus in the dark ages when the same faction (the psychopaths in control) promulgated the flat idea that promulgates it now) works beautifully?
As for some of the disingenuous arguments... I'll give You three. I have seen People pouring water on a ball to "prove" water doesn't "stick to a ball," ignoring the planet-sized gravity well immediately adjacent pulling the water OFF the ball. I have seen People spinning balls on the floor to "prove" a ball will not keep spinning, ignoring the friction of the ball on the floor. And I have seen People point to a glass of water saying, "Look! It's FLAT!" As if, at that small a fraction of a single degree of arc (4" is 0.00009% of a single degree of arc), We would see the hump in the middle a few MOLECULES high by eyeballing the glass.
YES, NASA lies and fakes things. But to jump on the flat earth psyop bandwagon because of that is VERY poor thinking. In fact, it would seem that NASA conceived of the flat earth psyop to cover the growing awareness that They DO fake things with misdirection. The Pentagon implemented the psyop, with Eric "The Mason" Dubay at its lead. So... The question becomes, what is the REAL reason NASA fakes things and lies?
The globe was not NASA's invention, yet the "NASA LIES!" cry is used to "prove" flatness - a most absurd leap, when You think about it. The globe was known in ancient times, and the church brought the flat concept to the fore in the dark ages. The church finally gave up on the flat idea as too much in the way of observations, measurements, calculations, and geometry, along with logic, reason, and critical thinking, made it clear We are on a globe. Their stance was beginning to be ridiculed.
Back to the question of what the real reason NASA fakes things is... What if there is an artificial barrier just above low earth orbit that We can't get through? What if the useless eliters are trying to hide it? Stuff from low earth orbit seems to be real, but stuff beyond that seems to be faked. What if this is LITERALLY a prison planet? What if They don't want Us to ask, "Who put that barrier there - and WHY?" So They fake going beyond that barrier, giving the ILLUSION that this is not a prison planet.
Given the many legends around the globe of a time when there was no moon, and if this is what is going on, We might think that the moon was placed there - maybe an artificial construct like a "death star" - with wardens watching the prison. This would explain "The Watchers..." Perhaps the moon was placed exactly the distance it was so as to cover the face of the sun, thereby striking fear and awe in the hearts and minds of the primitive People on the planet below. It has been reported that the moon behaves aberrantly relative to gravitational expectations.
And to Any who still cling to that psyop, beLIEving the disingenuous nonsense, before You come in here and start with Your stuff, know: unless You start by answering the following question, I will most likely delete Your comments: Why does the flat earth concept need SO many disingenuous arguments? The truth needs ZERO.
I tell you what, though. I won't delete You if You bring a flat model that explains the stars in the south mirroring the behavior of the stars in the north, spinning around a point (no visible star there), always due south of anywhere it can be seen from (southern hemisphere) - and I will also give the probability We are on a pancake more than 0.0000000000000001%. Deal?
Oh, and if You think somehow the southern stars are projected into the sky, please see this:
Thank You for reading, and I hope You are honest enough with Yourself (if You think the planet is flat) to seriously mull over what I offer here.
On to MUCH more important things. Solving for psychopaths in control on Our planet:
I invite the reader to investigate the work I do in sharing awareness of a solution to the psychopaths in control on Our planet, stolen from Us through "trusts" and deceit:
I AM anti-New World Order - A Better Way
tapyoureit.boards.net/thread/99/anti-new-world-order
The Problems in Profit
tapyoureit.boards.net/thread/73/problems-profit
How to Withdraw Consent
tapyoureit.boards.net/thread/37/withdraw-consent
The Abundance Paradigm Foundational Writings
tapyoureit.boards.net/thread/2/abundance-paradigm-foundational-writings
Ethical Anarchy vs. Psychopaths in Control
tapyoureit.boards.net/thread/48/ethical-anarchy-psychopaths-control
Money = Power = Energy
tapyoureit.boards.net/thread/64/money-power-energy-systems-enable
Thoughts About Teaching Children
tapyoureit.boards.net/thread/8/thoughts-teaching-children
Why I Advocate for Karmic Jubilee
tapyoureit.boards.net/thread/46/why-advocate-karmic-jubilee
Wearing Black on Thursdays
tapyoureit.boards.net/thread/54/wearing-black-on-thursdays
A Slave's Creed
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The Three Ancient Laws of Ethics
tapyoureit.boards.net/thread/15/ancient-laws-ethics
Facts About Conspiracy Insanity
tapyoureit.boards.net/thread/74/facts-conspiracy-insanity
Quite the Opposite - A Short Story for Change
tapyoureit.boards.net/thread/72/quite-opposite-short-story-change
