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Post by james on Sept 11, 2017 23:42:00 GMT
Hello, my name is James and I'm new to the board. Well, sort of new. I have never posted before but registered awhile ago. I hope to fit in here, if you'll have me.
Today, I was watching the news - only the local news, can't stand the national or world TV news, but it's good to keep track of what's going on in the area around me: charity event here, farmers' market there, local politician caught saying something he shouldn't. The usual stuff for BBC Look North.
But today, two items caught my attention for different reasons, but they both made me think. The first was about a new college opening. Aimed at 14 - 19 year olds, it's a vocational college offering employer-led technology and engineering courses to young people who want to learn a vocation direct from local employers. So far, so good - it reminded me of the way craftsmen and masters of trade used to take on apprentices to learn on the job. It had simply been updated so that lots of kids were all learning different jobs in one large venue. Except these 'local employers' were really anything but. Autodesk - a multinational software corporation that just keeps on growing, by acquiring smaller businesses. BAE Systems and QinetiQ two 'defence' industry leaders. The Royal Navy. No kidding. What was for many hundreds of years an education format that allowed specialists to pass on their knowledge to young people in their community, was now morphed into a school for the next generation of tools for the Military-Industrial Complex. "We're bang up to date!" enthused the principal. "All our lessons are run through Google Classrooms." Education by corporation, but at a friendly local level. How fitting for our times.
The other item was more hopeful. It highlighted an apparently new trend for strangers to welcome vulnerable adults into their homes and act as carers. This is taking care in the community to a new level, because these are people volunteering their time and money and love to care for people they don't even know. Often, the people needing care are elderly or have otherwise found themselves in a situation where they have no family to turn to. Professional care and health services by the state (this is England after all) are still offered, and social workers are still on hand to make sure the patient is safe and happy and that the carer is coping. But early findings have shown the patients taken in by a community member need less of this. They don't need to visit the doctor as much, and they report better mental and emotional health. Not only that, they even tend to live longer than those with similar health conditions who reside in institutional care homes or are in hospital long term. It's all about being able to make and maintain connections with someone that cares about you. It's transformative.
The irony is of course that traditionally, the family and wider community did take care of its elders in their twilight years. Grandparents lived and tended to die in their children's homes, watching their grandkids grow up and their family expand. Neighbours cared about one another and looked out for each other. But this has largely been lost, to the extent that this care programme was being touted as something bold and new.
These two local news items sum up 21st century realities in many ways. While community and family bonds are gradually eroded, so corporate control 'bonds' strengthen and expand their reach to grasp ever more of what's around us.
But that doesn't have to be the end of the story. We can change our surroundings in small, but significant ways. We can't all be full-time carers, but we can all reach out to our neighbours, especially those who live alone. We can offer assistance and advice to people who look like they need it. We can all volunteer one hour per week (or per month) of our time to help others in a constructive way, whether that be charity work, helping at a community event, running a sport or activity club for local children or retirees, being a befriender / listener / samaritan on the other end of the phone for people in distress. That power is ours.
Now I'm not deluded. I know none of these things will ultimately solve the huge problems facing our species, no matter how many hundreds of words I take to express them. They're not going to bring about the end of war or capitalism or class divisions. And I'm not even going to address T.A.P. But if everyone reading this is just a bit kinder to the people around you, to strangers especially, and most particularly to people or different backgrounds, different races, sexual orientations that you find strange, or even people with beliefs systems you really don't like, who knows what could happen? Kindness begets kindness, and as reciprocal care and decency spreads, so does a sense of community. But this is a community that goes beyond the local, it has the power to spread far and wide. If you treat the whole planet and everything that lives on it as your community, then perhaps others will. And if enough others do, there can't be war or hatred or greed, because there is just a community.
I apologise to members of this community for the excessive length and no doubt tedious naivety of this maiden post, but would nonetheless be interested on your thoughts towards my overly simplistic and ill-thought-out ideas.
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Post by Amaterasu Solar on Sept 12, 2017 0:42:39 GMT
No need to apologize for the length of Your posts, James. Thank You very much for posting. Sorry I have been away from the site for a day - had things on the burner and just now read You awesome post.
The training of the corporate wage-slaves is reaching out, I see. All those biggies getting involved with job training... Heh.
Interesting that They are trying to get Us to foot the bill for the less fortunate, the needy... Not that I would argue against opening Our hearts and homes to Others, mind You, but many programs that are beneficial to the useless ELiters come wrapped in emotional platitudes to sell them to Us. I agree that We should reach out more. Sadly, such behaviors fall to the wayside in a society run by psychopaths.
Thanks again for posting!
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Post by james on Sept 12, 2017 9:32:53 GMT
It's not really about getting 'us' to foot the bill, well no more than we (UK taxpayers) currently do. Like I said, health and social care - paid for out of taxes - is still fully involved with patients on the new programme. Something makes me think, and correct me if I'm wrong, that you don't approve of taxation. Personally, I'm not a fan of the way the system is currently geared with the less well-off paying more (proportionately) than many of the wealthy who find legal and illegal ways of stashing their money overseas, and I don't like some of the ways my taxes are spent (missiles, etc.), but overall I find taxation a just way to redistribute some of the wealth, keep the social safety net in place and allow the schools to stay open, the trains to keep running etc. But then of course Europe and the United States have very different ideas about what the welfare state is and should be.
Nobody 'runs' society. Society is everyone. Sure, there are people at the top of governments, businesses, militaries etc, but they are not society. Society is the sum of everyone's contributions and the net result of humans interacting with one another on a global scale. Once more people realise that, it should become clear that the people who are 'in charge' are only such because we let them, because we forgot there was any other way.
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Post by Amaterasu Solar on Sept 12, 2017 12:04:10 GMT
Not only do I not approve of taxation, James, I do not approve of accounting for Human energy added into a system that accounts for Human energy added - and which moves the bulk of OUR planet's wealth to very Few (psychopaths), nor to top-down controlmind (government). The useless Eliters hide the free energy that would make accounting for Ours pointless, that would eliminate the need for money (the accounting units), which is Their only tool to widespread influence.
And yes, there are Those who manufacture "reality," pay Others to do Their dirty work, bribe, pay for setting up blackmail scenarios, pay for strong arms (and armies) to threaten, pay to ruin People who don't go along, and pay People to kill Them, as well. If I was a psychopath and had more money than I could otherwise use, even frivolously, with a keen desire - a thrill, even - to control Others... To be sure, I would be paying for those things.
I would buy the media, the corporations called "governments," the education systems, the medical industry, the pharmaceutical industry, the courts, the police, the food industry, the research labs, the military industrial complexes, the prison industrial complexes, and any other thing that would aid in controlling society.
I would indoctrinate from birth, I would give People numbers, I would find ways to impoverish Most...
Thus We have what We have - BECAUSE there are psychopaths with that kind of money/control. But yes, though We are indoctrinated into allowing Others to rule Us, We CAN withdraw consent. We can take back Our sovereignty on OUR planet (stolen from Us by the psychopaths in control through "trusts" and deceit). That is what My work is all about. [smile]
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Post by james on Sept 12, 2017 12:52:57 GMT
Sure, I get that. Free and unlimited energy would be useful to us all. But existing as we do in a world where that's not available (I'm not saying it doesn't exist, just that you or I cannot get our hands on it), we still have a duty to our fellow man. I am more than happy for my money to help fund the education, health, social housing, infrastructure, police protection that I benefit from, but which all of my fellow citizens benefit from too. I could live in the woods and withdraw consent to be ruled bladeeblah, but that would just be taking myself out of society, and saying that I am no longer invested in or moved by the well-being of those around me.
If we want to change the world, it has to be bottom up and it has to be a collaborative effort by the entire human community. We are the many; those who we allow to rule us are the few, but until such a time as a revolution is realistic, we have to play their game in a way which results in the best outcome for the majority. You said it yourself that those who defy the 'rulers' or move too far out of the expected parameters, are punished or killed off. So I put it to you, that it is your responsibility to not let that happen to yourself or those million others who know the truth, lest the truth die with you.
But I guess that just marks a difference between you and I. If I had to give you any label, it would be as an anarchist with obvious Marxist revolutionary influences on your philosophy. That doesn't sum you up particularly well, however. I am a socialist, but I'm also a statist and a democrat. I would be in favour of revolution, but not one which removes the state, one which radically alters and improves it. The state is the best way, in a world of limited abundance, to ensure everyone gets the resources they need.
Now, if and when energy becomes unlimited (or in your view, when those with unlimited energy release their secret to the world), there will be no further need for a state or any other kind of organisational structure. In such a scenario, I would personally work to becoming a transhuman with self-correcting and self-improving software and hardware and hope to be able to leave this body and this planet behind, but that's just me :-)
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Post by Amaterasu Solar on Sept 12, 2017 14:34:17 GMT
I am not content and here's why: in the corporation of the USA, taxes are collected to the profit of the owners of the corporation. The budget goes over 50% to military, and most of the rest to various corporations for things that benefit Them, not Us. Only 2% goes to help People - maybe even less. The police, owned and operated by the psychopaths, have "serve and protect" as a motto, but the question becomes... Who are They serving and protecting? Turns out, it's the investors, NOT Us - though They do enFORCE "laws," whether Ethical or not, and can give the ILLUSION of serving and protecting Us.
As I pointed out, "education" is NOT education. It's indoctrination. It's lies, like the "government" in (whatever country One is in the imaginary lines of on Our planet) is the be-all and end-all and does no wrong. That it is there for Us and WE have control. As for health, if true cures were the goal, I would be for it. But natural medicine and cures are suppressed, and the pharmaceuticals are pushed, the ones with so many ghastly side effects, which profit the psychopaths.
Social housing? Here it is a joke. Vermin-infested, cramped, and in disrepair, often. IF You can get it. I can't because I am homeless and have been warned to stay clear of the "shelters" here - People are mugged and otherwise abused in them. Without an address to use (My friends, whose floors I crash on and WIFI's I use, have been lucky to have services and fear if I use Their address, They will lose services), I get NO help, but food stamps. And speaking of food stamps, I started getting them a decade ago. I got $200 a month and was capable of feeding Myself quite well. Over the decade, They took $11 away, but then gave back $5, and now are taking $2 away. Meanwhile, food has gone up in price by at least 40%. Now I often run out of food by the end of the month.
Yes, the solution is indeed bottom-up, with Those who can getting free energy out in the open by experimenting and sharing successes freely, building a web of servers for a site to govern Ourselves by, solving problems as they arise by Those who care, not passing "laws" (bills, statutes, codes, mandates, regulations, edicts, etc.) and then enFORCING them. Withdrawing consent from the systems that promote psychopaths to power and consenting to the bottom-up system of solving problems. Sharing awareness of this solution.
And yes, We do what We must to survive.
I am indeed an anarchist - anarchy meaning no RULERS, not no rules - an Ethical anarchist with the three Laws of Ethics. I seek a solutocracy, that bottom-up system, not the central controlmind still present in Marx. And the whole point of the abundance paradigm is to allow the vast abundance of Our planet to flow to ALL of Us. When free energy removes the need to account for Human energy, removing money systems, the artificial scarcity created by money will vanish. Planned obsolescence will have no point, and the creators of goods and services will not sully Their reputation by offering sub-par output. Waste will be eliminated.
And any state WILL promote psychopaths, creating "laws" that serve Them and screw Us.
And I absolutely do NOT expect the psychopaths to release free energy (electrogravitics as one technology, which offers both gravity control AND energy from the aether - My dad worked on it and told Us what They were getting, until it went black nearly 60 years ago). That too must be grass roots in developing and sharing.
I have no issues with ANYTHING anyOne wants to do to Themselves. As long as They choose Their behavior Ethically, They can knock Themselves out.
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Post by pgoeltz on Sept 12, 2017 15:41:44 GMT
Hello first the video you sent a couple weeks ago was nice, however myself and site owner we have are issue's, you can fight better than i, I said this once, and will say it again i feel powerless to stop the psychopaths, i tweet, post, social etc. my thoughts just hoping they will come and take me away, i feel lost in this world, its all lies, stealing, killing yes are defense budget is out of control, and the ppl get less than 2%, all this just pisses me off, and i wonder as with all my fighting on issues, what happens? NOTHING! i just dont see the point in living our existing. My big issue is pain, and of course the govt thinks pain patients are the problem, when most likely its the govt that created this problem? So they have reduced pain meds to levels, that i can hardly function...... this adds to my problems as whatever thoughts are left is trying to figure out how to live another day...... I will keep trying and re-posting group thoughts and ideas, but ready to give up, sitting in pain 24/7 is not a life....... not even sure if this makes sense? i wish life was not worrying about pain, surgery, wars, killing, and then we are being asked to save the world! i wish i could, but i cannot, i cannot even get billionaires to give me money for surgery...... but always will to try, just tell me what you want me to do, i will try.... maybe it is good the north Korea is building a bomb, to keep us in check, maybe it will all just come to an end....... sorry this is how i feel sitting in my chair.
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Post by Amaterasu Solar on Sept 12, 2017 16:29:09 GMT
Indeed, Paul, They promote suffering while claiming They care. it may not be tomorrow that We succeed, but that We WILL succeed I do not doubt. Putting forth the effort to share awareness that We CAN create better is worth all the gold on the planet! And in the end, We will be "paid" in spades. We will have the abundance of Our planet, We will have cures the focus, and true medicine. There will be no limits on Us as long as We choose Our behavior Ethically.
I know about pain - I too suffer 24/7 from it, and though most of the time it is medium level, and I can function through it, there are times I am in too much pain. But I will NOT be taking any of Their toxic chemicals with a zillion horrendous side effects to "control" My psoriatic arthritis. Someday I will have access to cannabis again. That helps tremendously!
Thank You for joining in the discussion, and if there is one thing You CAN do, keep sharing awareness that We do NOT have to consent to this crazy set of systems We are presently beset with, and that there is a better way of doing things here. Every mind opened to this is one small step towards co-creating better here.
I truly hope Your pain is controlled fully in the near future!
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Post by patriot63 on Sept 12, 2017 17:06:45 GMT
I totally understand James' and Amy's perspectives, and sympathize with Pogoeltz. (Pogoeltz, I'm sorry you have such constant pain, please hang in there, don't give up. Your feeling of helplessness reveals the great humanitarian that you are, and speaks of the depths of your concern. A great awakening is taking place, and the government is being exposed like never before.) James is right when he says we need to be the ones out there helping our communities. If enough of us are doing this, we push out these government-sanctioned "helpers" who really only have the interests of the globalists in mind. As a mater of fact, we are 7 billion in number, and we can have anything we want if we can all come together and make it happen. It's really that simple. Non-compliance, no matter how life-disrupting it can be, is crucial. Unfortunately, a lot of people will just go along with tyranny, pay their taxes, continue to be enslaved and be okay with it just so long as they are "left alone to live their life." The problem is they are not living their life as they should be, or could be. Government has its filthy fingers in everything, and we are out here, like Pogoeltz and Amy and many others dealing with artificial scarcity while our government, who can't figure out how to make healthcare affordable for all like other countries have (so much for the greatest country-USA-in the world). Meanwhile, we give Israel, the terror state, $11MILLION each day. We made multi-billion dollar arms deals with Saudi Arabian terrorists who are still chopping people's heads off. Like Amy said, our government spends most of its money on the War Machine, with military bases all across this planet. And it's worse than that, but we cannot give up. We have to have confidence in ourselves and know without question that we are in the right and that we are dealing with terrorists who wave American flags and say they are taking care of us. THEY ARE NOT. They lie, cheat, steal, torture, rape, poison and murder us every day, and they do not care. I think of 9/11 every time I feel intimidated by this monstrous machine and I get very angry and fortify the decisions I'm making in my life to withdraw myself as much as I possibly can from this malevolent system. It's what we all must do as humanitarians. They need our consent for everything, and 9/11 itself proves that. If they didn't need our consent, they'd just go bomb whatever country they wanted without a false flag "event" to trigger the alleged retaliation. The truth is that they are terrified that we will all catch on en masse and do something about it. This is why they are trying also to take away our guns. They are terrified! Let's face it, the military is run by humans too, and a lot of them also know what is going on. I see James' and Amy's take on taxes as well. I totally disagree with taxing labor, and with the out-of-control taxation on just about everything that is going on. (The IRS is a fraud!) If we had a MUCH smaller government that was actually being run the way it should be run--FOR the PEOPLE and by the PEOPLE--I would have no problem chipping in annually toward infrastructure, education (not indoctrination), and whatever We The PEOPLE need. If it benefits us. But we do not have that, and the government must rob us as often as possible to pay for the britches it has outgrown. Outgrown like its welcome. Two things need to be happening on this planet: People need to keep spreading truth, and those that know truth MUST withdraw their consent and not participate, and remove themselves from the corrupt system. It's a lot of work, but it gets easier the more of us there are doing it. That's my two cents, just touching on a very deep subject, to be sure!
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Post by Amaterasu Solar on Sept 12, 2017 18:45:27 GMT
Thank You for Your reply, patriot. About the "income" tax... In the USA, it is voluntary, though They don't let You know and pretend it is not. AND... It's NOT "income." Income would be things like interest, dividends, and other moneys coming in that Your creative energy did not produce. The money You get from expending Your creative energy - be it creating clean floors with a mop or programming an app, or inventing, or creating knowledge in Others (teaching), or any other creative thing We do for the energy accounting tokens is COMPENSATION. It cannot and should not be taxed as "income." We are giving equal for equal - Our energy for the tokens.
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Post by james on Sept 13, 2017 12:16:19 GMT
Thanks for everyone's replies. I would probably agree with you a lot more if I lived in the USA. Most of what you say is true there, or so I hear, but not so everywhere else in the world.
Pogoeltz, while I am fully supportive of each individual's right to decide when to end it all, I can only put it to you that the majority of people who were once suicidal, tried to kill themselves and survived, regret their earlier decision. A staggering 80% of suicides are impulsive acts. If you're in the 20%, and have thought long and hard, then the decision is ultimately yours, but generally once you've hit rock bottom with life being an utter misery, the only way to go is up. Things nearly always get better. I am not sure I would ever say that all life is precious, and certainly don't think every life is worth living at any cost, but given that this is more than likely the only life you'll ever get, with nothing else coming afterwards, it's not a decision you should take lightly.
The way I see income tax, is that the work you do to earn your pay is not just a result of your efforts alone, because you don't exist in a vacuum - you've had your schooling, your upbringing, your childcare, healthcare, the work of thousands of other people who invented or built the tools you use on the job, built the road or railway you use to get to your job, laid the water pipes and electricity grids that keep your work going, grew the food you eat, built the house you live in and the office you work at, take away and dispose of or recycle your waste - and all of those people need schooling, upbringing, childcare, healthcare etc too. Not only that, but we have a planet in crisis, with ecosystems everywhere under threat due to your lifestyle and mine, indeed the combined activity of 7 billion humans. Governments which are serious about tackling this are worth paying taxes to. So it's not just you alone, imho, who should reap the rewards of your labour. We are all part of a society, and we all have our part to play to make sure that society keeps going, for the benefit of everyone - human and non-human.
Of course no-one likes seeing their taxes go to waste, or worse fund yet more tanks, missiles, jets and warships to carry on fighting wars which 99% of the population doesn't want, or go into vast government trust funds to be distributed among the great, the good and the greedy. But let's not cut off our nose to spite our face.
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Post by Amaterasu Solar on Sept 13, 2017 14:36:10 GMT
Oh dear, James... Who do You think is paying for the palace upgrades? LOL! Seriously, You are living with a corporation in control, too. And the ONLY obligation of any corporation is to make a profit for its investors. In the case of "governments," that would be the psychopaths in control. And Our impact on this planet in terms of "anthropogenic global warming" - now called "climate change" because the predictions of Al Gore failed miserably - are statistically nil. They claim CO2 is the cause - yet... CO2 is needed to keep Our planet lush - plants breathe CO2 One medium volcanic eruption puts out more CO2 than Humans have created since the start of the industrial revolution Ice core samples show that FIRST the temperature rises, THEN CO2 increases CO2 is 100's of times less impactful on planetary temperatures than H2O (water vapor) Yet... They keep hollering about CO2. Why? Because there is an agenda to tax Us for breathing. To further control Us, to further impoverish Us. Yes, there is a LOT of waste We create, but the bulk of that has to do with planned obsolescence. Which is used to profit off Us, by creating things that fail or become obsolete regularly so that new products can be sold. See this vid of Mine: (Link to the thread with the mentioned vid: tapyoureit.boards.net/thread/122/balls )
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Post by james on Sept 13, 2017 15:30:01 GMT
I didn't actually mention climate change, sweet Amy, and I won't waste time arguing about that :-)
But there are many human-made threats to the millions of other species we share the planet with which are not due to climate change that you really should care about. For starters, let's talk about habitat destruction, intensive agriculture creating monoculture deserts, pollution of air and water including with pesticides and nanoparticles, illegal logging in the rainforests, illegal hunting on sea and on land, overfishing, predator persecution, the slaughter of thousands of migratory birds, desertification due to poor water management in arid regions, the ivory trade, traditional Chinese medical practices, soil erosion due to the felling of too many trees, the rapid growth of human populations everywhere and resulting urbanisation of countryside...
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Post by Amaterasu Solar on Sept 13, 2017 17:30:16 GMT
Shall We talk of the profit motive and psychopaths who are more concerned with that profit/power over Others than the destruction of habitat, intensive agriculture, pollution, poisoning, logging, hunting, overfishing, bird slaughter, cheap water "management," ivory trade, etc.? Who have Guidestones that show They think there are too many Human on the planet (that, with thoughtful technologies We now have, could support 1,000 times the number here now)? Who don't care that They sicken Us and Our planet as it enriches Them ("healthcare" which is really sicknesscare) and kills Us "overpopulated" Humans? Who enslave Us to wages that require urbanization?
Add to that They hide tech like electrogravitics which would allow Us, if We want, to move into the skies, adding a third dimension to where We can live...
Seriously, if the CARING Ones and not the psychopaths were in control, and profit motive removed, We Humans would create vastly better here, with thought to the ecology and life in general here. And STILL We would live vastly richer than We do now.
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