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Post by LUCKY☆ on Jan 31, 2020 5:19:27 GMT
There are 4047 sq meters in an acre.times 20=80940grams per acre.equals 180 lbs of algae.with a 20 percent oil content even though some brag as high as 50.with an average 90% recovery of lipids.÷5 ×.9,÷ 7 lbs per gallon. Equals about 4.64 gallons of unrefined bio-oil per acre. A 500gpm pump process unit will pump 71 cubic ft per minute.if the pond is 12 inches deep with growth/most arent, then that's 71 square feet of area pumped.at 43650 sqft per acre,it takes 614 minutes to pump an acre,thats just over ten hours.so in 24 hours it can process 2.34 acres.which is 10.88 gallons in 24 hours.my process needs 8 gallons of diesel to run 24 hours.power machines and generators,that leaves 2.88 free gallons per machine per day.times 365 days is 1052 gallons per year.it would take ten x acres so as not to deplete algae stockpile from source,23.4 acres to be able to run the process.these are actual numbers from test and studies.as you can see,it's not very profitable to farm algae.in a years time 23.4 acres returned 1052 gallons of bio crude that still needs to be refined.at an efficiency of 90% on a refinery.now the return is down to 947 gallons of gasoline or biodiesel.i know a dollar a gallon is cheap but I use it as a matter of convenience in math.middle men,shipping etc eats into cost so I say ok robo.shoot for a dollar and let the other guys fight over the rest. The thing is,the algae processor will cost 20k to build,if I lucked out and got land at a 1000$an acre,it's still close to 50k for not even a 1000$ of fuel.i haven't even added in nutrients,paddle wheels or water cost. The biggest hurdle I've seen so far is in water removal.if 90% of the water could be removed before pumping through processor.i could increase the profit by 9x or in that ballpark.its still has to have some water for the algae to flow in for machine to work.its that out of the pond and in the machine that eats most of the cost.
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Jan 31, 2020 5:36:27 GMT
What I'm pointing out is it's almost impossible to shoot for 10000 gallons per acre.the guy who originally wrote that bullshit article was in fantasy land.my numbers from a realistic point of view show that bottom line is around 1200 gallons per acre per year.in some articles they just say 10k,they don't mention the per year part.well that algae don't bloom overnight.
they say some species double each day but then other studies say only grab 10 percent per day.those numbers could be worked with and fine tuned for the algae the farmer gets use to in his climate etc.im a pessimist and always shoot low so no surprises.
People with gasoline and diesel cars and trucks are gonna be shocked in fifteen years when prices shoot to the moon.society needs to wake up.its time to get a plan in place.the clock is ticking.
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Jan 31, 2020 5:58:50 GMT
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Jan 31, 2020 6:03:03 GMT
It takes twice as much methanol as gasoline to go the same distance. Methanol extraction from wood by weight is 1/3.so 21lbs of wood will get you 7 lbs of methanol.which is one gallon,if your car gets twenty miles to the gallon on gasoline,you will go ten miles on methanol for 21 lbs of wood.2 lbs of wood to the mile.
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Jan 31, 2020 6:31:01 GMT
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Jan 31, 2020 6:34:30 GMT
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Feb 1, 2020 9:48:52 GMT
The usa consumes 20million barrels a day of oil.thats 840 million gallons.divided by 4.64 gallons per acre is 181 million acres x ten acres for sustainability is 1.81 billion acres.divided by 640 acres in a square mile is 283,000 square miles.thats basically all of arizona,allmost all of new mexico and south texas.using solar powered sea water pumps to feed the algae racetracks.if the biomass can be concentrated via water flow pressure into v shaped ports of 50%-90% mass density.its reasonably feasible to supply the nations needs.the higher the density,the higher the efficiency.
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Feb 1, 2020 10:08:03 GMT
Using that much sea water would drop the ocean by .02 of an inch.but would probably sink the continent by .03 inches. Increase humidity across usa thus turning arid areas north of region into more productive farm land.filter nitrogen and co2 from the ocean as most of the water would run back into the ocean after fertilizing algae.create salt water inland river fisheries.inland barge transportation zones.take useless desert and turn it productive.
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Feb 1, 2020 12:02:05 GMT
2204 lbs of water with only 20 grams of algae.2204x16ounces in a lb.x28 grams in an ounce=987,392 grams of water.thats a ratio of 1 to 50,000. This is the reason for a seperation technique for removing most of the water.if a funnel with a slope that also is a screen could be made thats maybe of the above ratio of 50000to >1 or even 50000 to 5000,10 to 1,which is 90% reduction in water,then the process could harvest 180,000 grams of oil per cubic meter pumped.57 gallons of oil.thats 180,000grams÷28grams per ounce÷16ounces per pound÷7pounds per gallon. A very high production ratio.but only if an easy way is found to strip the water.like a continual screen that doesnt clog.
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Feb 4, 2020 4:47:39 GMT
I had a massive breakthrough in my processing algae theory.super duper breakthrough.so im attempting to get doe funding. Not only that,i go to the funding page and wow,they are asking for almost exactly what im working on ,on this page. I kept banging away at the algae thing and i think ive got the winner. So i spent the last 3ish hours just trying to set up an account.i had one already but somebody put that thing in a loop.i would try to log in and it would say i have no login creds,i would try to create an account and it would say i already have an account.lol,i almost went bald!
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Post by Amaterasu Solar on Feb 4, 2020 20:22:49 GMT
Wow, robo! I hope that works out! You need a break!
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Feb 5, 2020 2:08:52 GMT
Im still banging away at it.now im back down again.if i use solar to run the pump.the pump is 15 hp.thats 15x746watts=11190 watts per hour.at a dollar a watt for solar and 2x for darktime is 22380$ in solar panels,divided by 365 days a year.thats 720,000 gallons a day pumped.at 67 gallons per sq meter,at 20 grams of algae per square meter.10746 square meters per day,x 20 grams per square meter of algae=214,925 grams of algae per day.214,925grams divided 28grams per ounce,divided 16 ounces per pound,divided by 7 pound per gallon=68 gallons of algae x 20% oil=13 gallons of diesel per day.x 365=5,003 gallons of diesel a year. 22,380$ in solar divided by 5,003$ of diesel at a dollar a gallon.equals 4.47 years to pay off the solar. 13 gallons of diesel at .4 gallons per acre it will take 32 ares to run the pump full time and produce that. a thousand an acre cost thats 32,000$ plus 22,380$ is 10 plus years to break even.
If i burned 1,000 gallons a day in my jet,i would need 365,000 gallons divided by 5,003 gallons a year on 32 acres,thats 73x 32 acres=2,336 acres of land,at a thousand an acre,i would need 2,336,000$ in land!
73x 22,380$in solar,thats 1,633,000$ in solar cells. So i need about 5million$, plus parts to fly a jet fighter plane every day!
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Feb 5, 2020 21:02:30 GMT
So to create a thousand gallons of diesel has an upfront cost of about 4million dollars.i havent added in pump cost but odds are i dont need 15 hp pumps.im not pumping the water to denver,just about a foot up to run the equipment. Theres also the dirt moving cost by dozers and graders.thats probably another million plus.
if d.o.e. wanted a scalable cost figure.thats as close as i can get to what a gallon of diesel per day would cost.thats based on using ocean water as nutrient base.lifting it a foot for processing and downhill back into the ocean.5000$ per gallon per day,upfront cost.
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Feb 5, 2020 21:11:34 GMT
America uses 391,000,000 gallons a day.x5000$=1,955,000,000,000$ dollars in upfront cost to supply the nations need for fuel. If we calculate in the refineries and transportation means already in place. It would take three years in taxes to make back the money at 36.9%. If d.o.e. granted me the money up front and the land was available.probably a few years fudge factor to get it all in place. I think that takes priority over military spending and trump just said he gave the military 2 trillion dollars at state of the union last night.
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Feb 5, 2020 21:26:18 GMT
At 2336 acres of land per thousand gallonsx391,000=92,276,000,000acres of land divided by 640 acres per sq mile=144,000 square miles.again,a little larger than new mexico. Plus add in the retaining walls etc.for a 10percent. Thing is these algae farms could have racetracks a mile wide.even more.this cuts down the waisted retaining wall land. The access to ocean front and near ocean land. Arizona could maybe work but we would need a massive canal dug from mexico shores to arizona,38 miles across mexico,then into the giant racetrack,one foot deep,105,000 miles long,one mile wide.talk about stimulating the economy of arizona and southern california,side jobs of fishing the canal of salt water fish.barge businesses and port businesses.real estate and heavy equipment mechanics.concrete services,food etc.a whole new temporary buildup.after that a few mega farm supervisors and equipment techs.most of it would be automated.the mega farm supervisors could use pontoon planes to fly and land for maintenance and observation.
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Feb 5, 2020 21:36:08 GMT
There would have to be two canals though,one in,one out.two bridges,on mexico side and two on arizona side. The canals would be maybe narrower for extra depth.evaporation rates would need to be figured in and ground absorbtion rates.my guess is mile wide each and twenty feet deep would be a good baseline number.so 76 miles of canal a mile wide and 20 ft deep. The added dirt removed could be used to make a peninsula out into the ocean as a divider between the two canals and maybe be sold off by mexico to developers.
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Feb 5, 2020 23:49:07 GMT
If i could get two dollars a gallon,then of course the payoff date would be cut to half the time.
As no state wants to be turned into an ocean,i suspect the best way is to mass lease land across most of the southern states.this would also cut down on transpo cost to refineries.if the new texas pipeline and its zone could be used,then its just a matter of getting enough water to those zones.the problem is that zone has no access to sea water or almost any water.thats why coastal areas that have land at or near sea level is the most efficient producers of algae farms.
My realestate research shows most of these areas are over priced.hyperinflation of realestate will cause hyperinflation of fuel cost.
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Feb 6, 2020 0:34:21 GMT
Added cost/material not wrote in,
Batteries to run during nighttime
Pumps,probably can lower hp rating and that lowers battery and solar cost.one 500gpm per 23 acres.
Processor,i got its power use rate down by 96x.about 150$ cost plus 2 hp per hour to run for a small processor of 4000gallons a day.
Seperator will cost nothing to run,that was my breakthrough.a 1000$ to build that can be sized to fit the flow rate,becomes more efficient at larger racetrack widths.
Pipe to pumps.a racetrack can start and finish at ocean,so pipe is negligible.
Electrical wiring in stainless conduit and weatherproofed unless pumps and processor run on diesel.but solar is more reliable than engines.
Oil /water Seperator
Dryer tank
Refinery
Trucks if pipelines not available
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Post by Amaterasu Solar on Feb 6, 2020 0:55:37 GMT
I ponder what the costs would be with hemp oil... Henry Ford made a car that ran on hemp oil.
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Feb 6, 2020 7:01:37 GMT
Nitrogen depletion of soil and nitrox polution.
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Feb 6, 2020 7:17:00 GMT
Now to figure out the evaporation rate water requirements. For every 48 feet length is 1 cubic ft. loss of water. So a 48 ft wide,48 foot long channel would need an extra foot wide for evaporation.a 105,000 mile long racetrack that was 1 mile wide is 544,400,000 ft divided by 48=11,550,000 ft.thats 2187 miles wide at the entrance,lol.at a mile wide canal,it would have to be 2187 feet deep to supply enough water for the race track.or the race track would only be 48ft. wide at start would be 48x48 ft long ,so at 2304 ft it would be 1 ft wide.a very long triangle.
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Feb 6, 2020 7:37:43 GMT
Or we could split the difference and have it divided by 20 ft deep for the channel,but increase the flow rate at entrance.i factored on 1.5mile an hour flow rate i think.so thats like....just guessing,divide by 20 at 2187 miles=water flowing into the canal entrance at 72.9 miles and hour! Its salt concentration would be almost a solid.lol.algae death i suspect.may have to just extract oil from salt at that point.
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Feb 6, 2020 7:48:22 GMT
Hmm,skim off the high salinity at the bottom and algae oil off the top.no oil extraction needed,just transesterfication and refining.no water seperation needed either. May be kinda toxic at the point it entered back in the ocean though.a mile wide salt slurry.
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Feb 6, 2020 7:58:37 GMT
May be since its so dense,it wouldnt need to be pumped but would pull itself back into the ocean via a pipeline and a vaccuum motion.because dense salt water is heavier.a very long ocean cycle,only its on land instead.hmm?
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Feb 6, 2020 8:00:34 GMT
Ill let the boys at darpa figure that out!
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Post by Amaterasu Solar on Feb 6, 2020 21:22:06 GMT
Nitrogen depletion of soil and nitrox polution. I presume that was to suggest there are issues with hemp? I am lead to believe that tilling the plants back into the soil enriches the soil greatly...
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Feb 7, 2020 0:15:41 GMT
Yea it helps to till but its sugar carbohydrate content isnt high after grabbing the seeds off.the more sugar you pull out,the less things grow.goo search highest btu oil production per acre,the green movement of the 80s and 90s was bs.they are hiding the best routes for fuel so they can hoard them for themselves.pine trees is going to be a big one but just because its easiest to farm and harvest. Algae has highest btu overall but takes alot of water,50000 to 1.im still digging through a mountain of bullshit. you can tell because each one starts out as a green gospel research paper.save the planet,yada yada.
Pine trees are the reason for terpines in air,the crap epa whines about and wants to regulate our smog.when most of the smog is created by pine trees.most of the allergen pollen too.the epa has been scamming us for years. So has tecq of texas.chlorinated water kills the bacteria needed for sewage leach fields.so then folks have to spend thousands on specialized septic tanks when one water tank with a vent to vent off chlorine before using would have worked way better and cost less.thats why old farms with wells have old septics that still work but new homes have c water from public poison water supplies that cant absorb into the ground. In clay,the bacteria grow like threads,then dry out,the water then follows those threads.this continues and the older a septic the better.the more healthy bacteria in the soil for nature to feed on. Chlorine stops and locks it up.seals the clay and then the clay cant absorb water.
All these tree hunggers in gov made life miserable for america to justify more cops nosing into peoples lives and justify costing wasted money.i call them democraps.justifiable abortions that never took place.
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Post by Amaterasu Solar on Feb 7, 2020 3:31:47 GMT
Well, there's always electrogravitics, that doesn't mess with the plants and soils. It can draw on the electro-gravito-magnetic field that pervades the universe, cleanly, available everywhere, 24/7. And the tech is scalable, for homes or huge operations. Of course... They hide that tech and won't let Us have it. Because it will free Humanity from the clutches of the psychopaths in control.
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Feb 8, 2020 2:53:41 GMT
My next thought is about the salt slurry.if a stainless pipe was laid in the bottom of the algae track trench,it would be shaded and cooled this would then make a very dense slurry for even more vacuum at end of track.this pipe would then return to ocean and of course dump the slurry which would then sink to the bottom of ocean.
At a 50 to one triangle.at 1.5 mile an hour flow.for nine days would be 324 miles.324 divided by 50 =6.48.the entrance at track would need to be 6.48 miles wide.this could be lowered by dividing 20 ft deep trench.to a third of a mile wide,2000ftish wide.im may have my math off but I think that's a cubic foot of oil at a rate of 1.5 miles an hour flow.which would be.im averaging low I hope,750sq.ft of 50000/1 algae.about 70 square meters.this works out to 1400 grams of dead algae at 1.5 miles an hour flow rate.1400grams at 20% oil =280grams x 1.5mph,5280 ft per hour 2,217,600 grams of oil per hour.4950lbs per hour divided by 7lbs per gallon=707 gallons per hour of crude bio oil.this production rate will ebb and flow with night and day,high tide and low tide.the length may have to be more.if we factor in everything.its probably 500 an hour but that's 24/7/365 for yearly production of 4.380 million gallons a year.100,000 barrels a year.for a three hundred mile highway of algae oil that's self pumping its growth flow using nature.then it's refinery is ten percent cost. 3,700,000 gallons of jet,diesel,kerosine or gasoline.maybe some bottoms for road tar.
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Feb 8, 2020 3:01:40 GMT
This trench would probably be equal in cost or less than a 324 mile highway.maybe half the cost.it could be built along a coastal highway and intake at one end and exhaust at the other.since the coastlines are almost at grade and sea level,this construction cost would be less too. This could start out at a mile long and scale up with bigger returns and be imminent domained in next to a coastal highway.in fractions at a time.
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