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Post by LUCKY☆ on Aug 14, 2022 16:33:17 GMT
www.zerohedge.com/energy/why-solar-power-failing-amid-record-breaking-heati ran a search to make sure i didnt have a solar panel thread and three pages came up.im like wtf!? then i realized they were amy solar threads!lol. heres the deal on solar.as per article.what happens is the lines on the panels are the width of light.when the panels shrinks or expands,it gets out of the zone of light frequency.starts absorbing uv or infared. then theres cold weather thats dry and clear.this makes the voltage spike and if you dont have a good charger then the charger fries or the batteries over volt and boil. panels are the cheap part.but it takes a bunch.the charger is next highest,then the pure sign wave inverter then batteries. batteries is where the gut punch is.20cents a watt is the lowest ive found for lead acid. ive done many hours digging into this and come to the conclusion,if you gonna do it,go lead acid,not agm or lithium.the last two have memory,lead acid doesnt. the trick to lead acid is proper maintaining of voltage and checking level then filling with distilled water. the trick to buying cheap batteries is car batteries. there is no special woo in solar lead acid compared with car lead acid.its all the same but that solar sticker on that battery will cost you twenty extra bucks.make sure they have removable caps.some dont. what parts do i recommend? the cheap 100 watt panels mostly squareish.reason being is square is harder to break than rectangle.plus 100 watt is easiest to mount and easiest to do math on. charger.im using a midnight solar kid 30 amp, that can take voltage spikes to 150volt and can be master slaved to a second one. why 150?a voltage spike on a 72 volt system could hit 150vdc.kid actually goes to 160vdc for safety. its also multivoltage setup 12/24/48/72dc, thats automatic.plug and play or go deeper if you want into battery maintaining. i bought the kit which bumped it up to 500$ comes with all kinds of goodies.box,connectors,breaker. a pure sign wave inverter is the next thing,you get what you pay for from my research.a cheap square wave will sometimes work but it could fry some appliances or make them wonkie.pure sign is better than your power company.thats a plus for offgrid systems over local companies.your electronics will last longer on a solar system.especially compressors on ac,fridge,freezer.i have a cheap squarewave inverter from walmart 15$ for small stuff one at a time.i tried it on flourescent bulbs and its a trigger for epeleptics. if voltage spikes in winter,then 12 becomes 20 volts.if your system is 72 volts and it spikes,you got safety. i was gonna go with 72 volt system but 72 volt inverters arent cheap.48 volt inverters are a norm thats easily found.thats four panels in series and four batteries in series. series panels work best because high voltage goes further in wires than low voltage.going even six feet with 12 volts sucks alot of power.once that voltage goes along yard and up into house,its already ate alot of power.higher voltage helps solve that problem. say you get four, five hundred amp batteries at a hundred bucks a piece. thats 12volts x 500amps x4.thats 24000 watts of power.24kw. you can only use 20%,otherwise you ruin the battery.24000 x 20% is 4800watts.thats 4.8 kwh.what can you do with that? i like window air conditioning.its spike current is 8 amps at 120 volts that then levels out to 4 amps.480watts per hour.that means i can run my ac for 10 hours. but to charge those batteries i need about double the panels because they arent efficient either.they lie.if i want 20 hours then i have to double the solar panels again.thats 40 solar panels. i can get five hours of direct sunlight.ten panels is 500 watts x 5 hours is 2500 watts.that means i need twenty panels to charge those batteries.not including inefficiencies or charging while running ac.now you at about double the panels.thats why it takes up some yard space.40,2ft x 3ft panels is 240 square feet.12 x 20.oh but its winter time.now the deep thought comes in.angle of group or one straight line,80 ft long. thats about 4000$ with shipping for solar panels.500$ for charger,400$ in batteries,around 500$ for inverter.to run a window unit ac for twenty hours a day,you need about 6000$.that extra change is for cables and mounts,etc. Most folks want 24 hr operation so i fudged upwards on cost. If a salesman tries to market to you,he may say triple it because you get those total overcast days.thats $18000 plus install fees. thats 400$ an hour,up front cost to be offgrid with window ac. once its paid for,if you are lucky,it may all last twenty years.thus your cost to run that ac is spread over twenty years. thats $360 a year cost for ac.with no electric bill.lets say ten months out of the year,thats 30$ a month.like $1a day. plus if the power goes out,who cares,you got ac! if like me and you have dish,thats internet and tv.ac is the highest cost,if you dont run oven or other big appliances. most people can make a campfire to cook with but not a camp ac. where i recommend solar.if you are a newb.buy a cheap amazon panel called solar maintainer.put one in car,one on boat and one on lawnmower.your car batteries will thank you.some come with cig adapter and clamps. if you have a pond you get water from for garden or livestock,a small system will work great.one 100 watt panel/100$,one lawn mower battery/50$,one weather proof charger 40$.no inverter needed if you get a cheap/25$, 12 volt pump.less than 250$ for a steady garden water supply.no high voltage out on the farm when possible is my theory,and 12volts is common.those pumps use almost no power.thus its easy to scale up in pressure and flow with that system and not stress the battery. These two things will get a person comfortable thinking about what solar can and cant do.
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Aug 14, 2022 16:44:29 GMT
solar marketting is pie in the sky.truth is for most folks with the average home,$20k.prorated out,thats $1k a year.thats $80 a month for full utilities.
but expect to take up alot of land for those not hail proof solar panels.
how to hail proof,the best is to drop all panels vertical before a storm and on the top edge,put a steel pipe or angle iron.this way the panel doesnt take an edge hit from a baseball size hail like gov is creating now.
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Aug 14, 2022 16:46:35 GMT
all of this is based on doing your own labor.the price may be double or more if you hire a contractor.
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Post by Amaterasu Solar on Aug 14, 2022 21:40:52 GMT
And the ghastly pollution in making solar panels removes any argument that they are "ecologically friendly..."
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Aug 15, 2022 16:12:34 GMT
i dont give a fuck about the greenies.all i care is to see is the bastards dead and dying.
while i sit in my airconditioning gloating.fuck this shithole planet of tarded methed out baby raping losers.
everybody knows.
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Sept 6, 2022 5:01:36 GMT
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Sept 6, 2022 5:01:47 GMT
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Sept 6, 2022 5:33:31 GMT
Tesla had the same problem when it installed solar on walmart roofs.i was just reading about amazon and was scratching my head over what was causing it.i blamed tesla problem on phased array radar via microwave burning chargers without knowing deep down why.
Then with this amazon fire,i sought out more.
Come to find out.its insulation breakdown from uv exposure caused by phased array.
Basically the phased array is drying out the air.this is allowing more uv.the uv is drying and cracking the black plastic insulation.then in higher voltage systems of 48 volts and higher,the current on some of these big systems is massive.its not the current that arc flashes.its the voltage spike in winter more than likely.
Regardless,its insulation breakdown.the spark jumps then the high current melts and destroys it.
Anybody in the future needs to have a means to keep the positive and negative cables seperated.i suggest at least a quarter inch.the top priority though is to keep the cables out of the sun.also avoid high salt areas along coast lines or where road salt may expose them.
In low voltage situations like solar it is rare for arc flash but if the cables are rotten and touching,there is a small chance of shorting.truthfully not much, but on real big systems like amazon,the more you got,the more probability of it happening.
In my high voltage experiences.ive never heard of such low voltages shorting.i know of high voltage dialectric breakdown.but never of such low voltages.most home systems are of such low current that a serious fire is not of concern.just dont route electrical through a sharp metal hole.dont leave cables exposed to sunlight.
And i guess its best not to run systems above 48 volts.
with winter spikes,a 48 volt system could be pushing 90 volts at peak.if a person wants to be super sure,run a 24 volt system but know those lower voltage systems have higher line current losses.Thus less efficient.in home systems in yards,most cables are conduit buried.out of the sun.in roof top systems the chances of uv exposure go up as routing wire problems increase.in rooftop systems,water proofing is top priority.that means you cant go drilling holes in roof and routing wires to shield from sunlight.this means running conduit to protect the wires from sunlight exposure and then cost really shoot up.
I suggest only yard solar to avoid all these headaches but then you run into weed control around panel mounts.
Solar isnt bad though.im quite pleased with mine so far.im building it out one piece at a time.
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Post by Amaterasu Solar on Sept 6, 2022 21:17:21 GMT
Rather have electrogravitics. Free energy available 24/7 anywhere, clean, slightly cooling, and the apparatus is scalable.
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Post by Amaterasu Solar on Sept 9, 2022 18:05:04 GMT
Then there's this...
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Sept 9, 2022 20:05:47 GMT
The prices for inverters is going down and the cheaper ones are getting good reviews.i saw one last night for $300 on amazon.its a 2500watt.
I plan to buy two to power my house.the reason being if one fails,i still have half my electricity available.
Ive also been using a cheap solar maintainer a few months,since april now on my lawn mower and its taken the abuse of direct sun real well.ive used it on my van also if it stays parked a while.
Last night i looked into mounts and prices.still high and confusing.i like nu power solar cells.they cheap and work.i plan to make mounts myself out of aluminum angle or channel.for pole mounts.in four panel groupings.thus 48 volt setups.i may even sell these frame mounts just for nu power as they are sized different than other solar cells and i would have a niche market with a high demand.currently solar frame mounts are way overpriced.
Cable prices surprised me.i didnt know how high they are.because of the high current,big cables have to be used on batteries.they have to be able to carry around a hundred amps to inverter.2awg may be best.im still researching it.
4awg may work best on battery jumper leads.i plan to buy butterfly stainless wing nuts with stainless hardware and electrical grease for battery connections.this way yearly testing is simplified.removal of a failed battery is simplified.
My plan is rows of four for 48 volts in groupings of 12.
3 rows deep.
Im using lawnmower lead acid batteries because wattage to price ratio is lower.
The added bonus being if one fails,my cost is lower to replace.currently lawnmower batteries are the best battery deal on the market.
$70 for 350 amps.20 cents an amp.that includes core charge.
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Sept 10, 2022 3:35:23 GMT
See the image in the yt thumbnail?
Dont buy these flattops.the top cant be removed to monitor acid level.i bought one by mistake.only buy the type with black plastic rectangle bars or six caps.
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Sept 11, 2022 23:41:28 GMT
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Sept 12, 2022 0:15:55 GMT
Im surrounded by big oaks my wife prefers dont end up as firewood.that means i had to think of moving the system to a place away from the house.
i looked into larger cable size and thats the trick.windy nation sells an 8awg/100ft cable.with mc4 connectors.its about $200 but its power loss is really nothing.this can be the jumper with 10awg on each end at the charge controller and the panels.its uv resistant and can be buried.
Mc4 connectors are waterproof and very reliable.its what most solar systems are using as standard.
Any panel location plan needs to plan for full sun in winter and full sun in summer.
With a golf course lawn thats no problem but if you like shade trees and live in the woods them a long thick cable is a must.
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Sept 12, 2022 0:40:13 GMT
Theres gonna come a time in the next ten years where power is going to be out.it may be out for months at a time.especially out in the country after a wind or ice storm.
A fridge or freezer full of rotten food is not fun to clean out and a hot house is not fun to sleep in,in the deep south in the summer.
No water,no food,no way into town.
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Post by Amaterasu Solar on Sept 12, 2022 2:45:33 GMT
I expect a Carrington event sort of thing... It will be quite the show...
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Sept 14, 2022 1:34:15 GMT
I expect a Carrington event sort of thing... It will be quite the show... They are subliminally programming us.i suspected you would mention the c word. Took you three days from when it first popped in my head. One well placed nuke over usa and all the vaxxed drop dead.probably great britain,new york and dc.all the military also.except those in bunkers or in subs. They did a nuke drill in dc today.thats why biden flew to delaware for an hour. They say it will happen as soon as the usa oil emergency stockpiles are finished draining.supposedly by the end of the month. The sooner,the better.im shielded as you know.ill finally be able to go fishing without a license: ) Odds are the sattelites will all fry and hours later the night sky will look like a meteor shower as they all burn in. Then its free shit army time as i collect up my winnings from all the dead neighbors: ) |
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Post by Amaterasu Solar on Sept 14, 2022 20:40:09 GMT
Popped into My head, several years ago... Haha!
Still not placing high probability that nukes are real. Looks more like a sandy hook to spread fear. But I'm just a dumb Human...
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Sept 25, 2022 4:26:00 GMT
Because today was suppose to be fake carrington event,i brought my panel inside my metal house.
I tucked the cables under house.
I just looked at solar charger and its saying i have 11.5 volts input and battery is at 12.7vdc.
How the fuck can my cables be picking up 11.5 volts underneath a trailer house?they have insulated connectors and arent connected to anything.
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Post by Amaterasu Solar on Sept 25, 2022 15:27:47 GMT
Weird!
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Feb 27, 2023 2:54:21 GMT
Im not pleased with what i saw the last two days.i have all the gear operational.i can go off grid now if i wanted but just barely.like hairs width barely.
Three nights ago i wanted to run just the fridge.im using a very small battery bank but at a certain point it triggers a warning bell at low voltage and wife shuts off system.its just a warning,not a destruction of my batteries from overuse.so i watch to see it recharge.it was a cloudy day but not storm clouds.just solid clouds.i got no charge.today i got back up but not fully charged.what im getting at is once you got enough to run a house,its gonna take way more if you want to be secure.
Im currently looking at deep cycle fla.not to be confused with deep cycle agm or deep cycle gel.fla is flooded lead acid and deep cycle means thick plates that are less prone to damage from overheating,warping,dead shorting.in that order.
A cheap one from walmart is 89$,then tax and core.so lets say a hundred bucks.
My system uses 48 volts.that means i need four in series.i can only run them down 25%.the battery is 845 cca which is amps.that means i can get 845 amps times 48 volts then divided by four again.that means i get 10,000 watts from 400$ worth of batteries.the average home uses 1000 watts an hour.thus ten hours.you need about 1000$ in batteries per day.if its a week before sunlight shows up,you need 7000$ in batteries just to live luxurious.
As for me if i see im not getting sunlight,alot of light switches are gonna get flipped off.
We may go months in the future without sunlight.
As for solar panels,they are getting cheaper,you can buy 400 watts of panels now for less than 300$ a set.
They work pretty good.
The thing to watch for is solar charging current supply.my midnite solar can handle only 1500 watts of panels but most panels come as 100 watts and since im on a 48 volt system,that means my panels have to be wired in sets of four.thus i either run 12 panels or chance overloading the solar charger.
Most systems are wired for ten aug wire not eight aug.that means the whole system has to take in that factor also.
The industry is really clusterfucked but getting better.they want you to spend a small fortune hiring a technician to run all the numbers and charge people out the ass.
What im trying to do with this thread is simplify it some.
Im using a midnite solar charger that can piggy back extras.odds are you will want at least two.
Im using cheap squareish panels from amazon at 100 watts each.i plan to use gray pvc pipe as frames and mounts.
I just bought a 3000 watt inverter called yuequen reliable electric.so far its carried a 1500 watt electric heater with no problems.
I use cheap copper jumper cables from walmart that i chopped up and lugged with connectors i bought at walmart and on amazon for all my battery connections and to inverter.im using four lawnmower flooded lead acid batteries averaging 300 amps each.all new.i bought real nice heavy duty main power switches and a hundred amp a/l fuse with clear case.i went ahead and bought three at once because they are so cheap.
The whole system is done and wired up real nice.now its just a matter of buying more panels,more batteries and an occasional solar charger and cables.
The thing is,if the power goes out,i can still run some lights or fridge for a while if i need it.im not totally in the dark or without tv or internet.i can chill out and relax.
My plan is this time next year i will be totally off grid and have 100% control of my privacy.no more spying on my home through the smart meter.
I can call joe biden a tyrant and know he didnt get a report on his desk the next day from the nsa.i can talk to my wife of my inventions without worrying ai stole them from me.
And i no longer have a monthly bill i have to remind myself to pay.
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Feb 27, 2023 3:04:22 GMT
I only have 400watts of panels to charge with but like today,i got like ten watts of power all day.those 400watt panels should have supplied me about 1600watts in one day.
thats why i say,you gonna need alot of panels if you want to live like a king.like around 40-70 of them and that takes up alot of yard space.
Dont believe all the hoopla on youtube.those guys are at high altitude up on mountains where theres barely clouds or humidity.
You get at or near sea level and down in a jungle.its a battle to live the solar good life.
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Feb 27, 2023 3:35:05 GMT
Im still going forward with my system but if you think you will save money by buying in,you wont.not at current prices.
All you do is trade one set of problems for another set.look at california where the folks with solar are now getting double fucked by state taxes.
those folks dont even have the space for a full off grid setup.just a supplimental system and temporary power outage backup.
Where solar is good.really good.a small water supply,home water well or ariation pond.a solar maintainer for a car or lawn tractor battery.
Thats where you can save money and have peace of mind.those are worth the investments.Little simple systems not under 24/7 demand.
For example a lawn tractor or boat.if you are like most,unless you stay on top of it,you will buy a new lawn tractor battery every year.that solar maintainer will keep the battery hot and fresh.that twenty dollar panel will easily pay for itself in one year.
For a water supply.unless you run water 24/7,that pump and a 100 watt panel,a forty dollar lawnmower battery will supply all the water a home needs off grid with plenty of days to spare.
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Post by Amaterasu Solar on Feb 27, 2023 18:33:12 GMT
Electrogravitics...
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Mar 2, 2023 11:57:08 GMT
Lol,im over at amazon looking at cheaper solar charge controllers called mppt.
Rich solar is a big company in the solar business.
I currently have a 30a controller.10awg wire is the largest it will accept.i want a secondary controller thats 60 amps.that means the hole size for wire needs to be 4awg but 8 awg is the max size the controller will fit.thats illegal wiring.it could burn a house down!
The devil is in the details.even a big chinese company screws up engineering occasionally.
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Mar 7, 2023 1:56:52 GMT
Some things ive learned about solar.
For example,i got 4/100 watt panels.just because you have 400 watts doesnt mean you get to use 400 watts.my 4 panels are in series for 48 volts.but they regularly put out 75 volts at 5.5 amps.the solar controller chops off that extra 27 volts,throws it away.that means i only get 300 watts out of 400 available.
Now i could cut back to three panels in series and get about 51 volts.problem is when its time to desulphate/equalize the batteries,you need 130%.thats 62 volts.three panels cant put that out.
But....
The new panels on the market can!
At least for a few years.lol.
So when you buy panels,its best to go with a 48volt system for safety,but you will sacrifice 25%ish of your wattage.
Its also cheaper to buy four panels at a time.i can get four 100 watt panels for under 300$.thus its free in a way.
I dont regret going 48 volts for a home system.the reason is line loss and copper expense.48 volts can send more wattage back to the charger and back to the inverter.smaller cables and less heat.less chance of fires.
So when a salesman says,oh you got 4000 watts of panels,yes but you will only get 3000 watts of charging per hour.
Ive seen negative reviews of panels where folks complain because they dont understand how the systems work.
Theres another thing people dont understand.if the batteries are fully charged,then the controller will not show any wattage from panels.the only time you will see real charging is when charging is occurring.
I ran my window ac the other day and watched the charger during full sun.i watched 310 watts charging per hour.the most i ever saw my panels output.i even saw my solar charger floating batteries while carrying the window ac.i was like,hell yeah!
I then thought about those four small lawnmower batteries i bought and wondered if i would regret buying them instead of deep cycle.no i dont and ill tell you why.
When a big load kicks in there is a spike.those starter batteries are designed for big spikes then drop off fast.by adding them in with four deep cycle batteries in series also ,then both groups parrellel.i can easily take a big spike and a long draw like 24 hours of window ac.
So far those four lawn mower batteries have worked for test ive done.ive ran 1500 watt heater for about sixty seconds.ive ran window ac for about ten minutes.ive ran a fridge for four hours before alarm warning kicked in, and wife turned off system.
I plan to buy four flooded lead acid deep cycle batteries soon.that combined with my four lawnmower batteries will give me 28 hours of window ac and typical home use.
Then im free of the electric company and their spying smart meters.
The savings will be be redirected back into more panels and more batteries.
after a couple years of breadcrumb investing.ill have a whole loaf of freedom.
The warranty on cheap deep cycles is one year or they offer two and three year insurance.my thoughts are if those batteries are properly maintained,i expect twenty years.they warranty them shorter because people are lazy and people are idiots.
I highly suspect the battery markets hype the other batteries just for money.if you buy lithium,every ten years you will sell a newborn or arm and leg.
i would rather get hit small than large, if my estimate on lead acid doesnt pan out.
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Mar 8, 2023 19:17:51 GMT
i just got a 4 pack of hqst sqare 100watt panels.
monochrystaline are black.polychrystaline are blue.
i had been buying blue because they were cheaper at that time and i like the blue color.mono was cheaper this time so thats what i bought.its a totally gray cloudy day today and my poly wasnt putting out wattage.i plugged in the mono and im getting 30watts out of the 4 total.
if mono prices stay low,ill be buying more mono.the size is smaller too.about 1/4 less than my first panel i bought two years ago and about 1/5 smaller than the ones i bought 2 months ago that were poly.
if you buy any,try to buy in 4 packs so when you get ready to mount them on a frame,they dont mismatch and make mounting more complicated.
if you buy them over time.they could continue to get smaller and it will look like an odd duck at frame mount time.
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Post by LUCKY☆ on Mar 12, 2023 13:18:22 GMT
grrrrrrrrrrr!
im looking for a hot water heater.everybody has 3-4 kw heaters.my inverter is 3kw.i finally find heat pump water heaters for 2thousand dollars and im like what the fuck!a heat pump is a fucking airconditioner!
i can buy a window ac for 200$!
a tank is 100$
seriously.i can literally cool my house and heat water at the same time at 300watts an hour.burn my hand on the condenser coil tube of an ac unit yet these fuckers want 2000 dollars for a heat pump water heater running massive current.unbelievable bullshit.way overpriced and under performance.im not heating a fucking swimming pool!
i need a 5 minute shower and some water for dishes.
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